@Popes Yuck. I wish the whole Apoc line didn’t have so much fash in its DNA, but despite the proper and nuanced readings it winds up landing in so many minds as fashy. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen doing Werewolf LARP who play it straight, like ‘what if we were just all on board with the genocidal ecofascism’?

@Popes Poor Stan. He really made Garou shine. Convinced my Bastet interacting with them was worthwhile after all!

I’ve always thought Pure Breed was a creepy, eugenicist concept if left untreated tbh, but there are versions where it’s not tied to ‘blood purity’.

There was also the whole thing with the Rokea Homid Kinfolk PC. They didn’t need to run her off, but I think she was involved with the City of Hope drama that was aforementioned.

@somasatori I got big chunks of Renown for doing that, but I had to come up with tiny reasons to eke out any more. Never even got another Perm Renown.

I tried to make my Pumonca work, but the place just kept losing players and losing steam with it. It’s a shame, I’d love a place to play a cougar-man long term.

At risk of outing myself, I do faction PVP on Silent Heaven frequently, and am the only combat character on my side so my PC often loses fights and gets beaten up as a result. It works because I know I can come back from the fight without losing anything massively inconveniencing, and dying isn’t possible in the course of day to day play. Antagonists check with me OOC to make sure I am cool with it as a player first, as is best practices when initiating a fight.

It is very much possible to have this without it devolving into OOC bad feelings and drama.

I never read the books, but I got the idea that when the dragons are mating, the humans they’re bonded to want to do gay stuff. How far off am I?

@somasatori I’d be down to play a game set in Caliph Al-Mamun’s reign in Samarra while the First Mihna is going on. Persia is in flux but the Byzantine Empire is still creaking along. The Abbasid Caliphs and their politics were highly esoteric, and while we are before the rise of the Fatimids, there may be no more mysterious conspiracy than what the Ismailis were trying to pull.

Only the biggest dorks need apply because of how much history is in there, but I want to make the cultures and faiths of the Hellenistic world come to life with wizards. There is no equivalent to Orders, just Schools, which leaves a huge blank spot to fill in with cultures from Syrian to Shakyan, and faiths from Abrahamic to Zoroastrian. But if you’re into that, it’s the game for you.

It’s very easy to avoid PC death if you just set up the game so it doesn’t happen until a certain point. Could be as simple as vtr vampires never taking violence past torpor due to centuries of their culture valuing hostage taking instead of killing their Kindred. Or there is a supernatural reason as mentioned, like for some reason injuries never quite are enough for final death in the setting due to some blanket Fortitude effect. Or in your setting, it’s just way harder to truly kill a vampire. Don’t be afraid to break the dead hand of “canon” if its needed.

Also honestly I would love to see a non modern setting. What I would give for the To the Strongest Hellenistic setting, plunked down in Alexandria Aegyptus or Bactria or something. Variety, and bronze age crushing brutality.

It takes actually reaching out OOC to the other players and reassuring them that you are not your character, and keeping that line open. It helps you and them keep separation between you as a person and your PC. Emotional bleed IC-OOC happens, especially if you lose more frequently than you win IC, but just knowing you have that line to reach out to the other players is often enough to make things easier.

It does take an initial investment of OOC trust on both ends, which is emotional work all on its own, we have all been burned. It’s kind of like dating, but for the purposes of making your dollies fight fair and square. It’s better than enduring a sandbox meltdown though.

CofD game would be fantastic and I would be up in it day one.

I suggest Changeling/Geist, for the Motley Krewe experience.

@somasatori Good deal, Beast is a full deal breaker for me and I’m not alone.

@Gashlycrumb How dare you insult Batty like this. I was there too, and yeah Batty forgot to water the MU* but that’s not in the same level as being a garden variety annoying pest. Go fuck yourself, idiot.

While we’re all paying attention I’d like to note that a Hog Pit discussion has turned organically into a constructive discussion. Is this a new era?

@Roadspike A simple recipe can be delicious with only a few well prepared ingredients, while gourmet ingredients can lead to inedible glop if you are unskilled.

We all have to share the spotlight on a MU* or this kind of thing happens. I sometimes wonder if WOD could have been better if the mechanics and narrative were better suited to that, like the 2013 MET LARP ruleset, since that’s designed for games of like 15-20 people over 3-5 in tabletop.

WOD was a mistake.