I don’t think comparing it to bad/boring writing is the whole story. With practice, if you are trying and writing your own poses, you might actually get better at it. You might evolve into being more interesting to interact with. It might be worth throwing some rp to a new/bad writer, just to give them some practice so they can improve!
LLMs never will. I resent throwing my time and effort into a black hole where I am getting nothing from it, and neither is anyone else.
Yeah, that absolutely reads as LLM slop to me. BOooo
I very strongly disagree these detectors should be discounted. Don’t use the free one google suggests and no other checks, obviously, but the hobby needs to be protected from this slop, at whatever costs. It’s an inherently vulnerable hobby, where everyone is agreeing to submit their actual writing to another person in a scene for reaction. For fun!
It’s not just that LLM writing is hollow, bloated, and uninteresting (though it is), it’s also a breach of that fundamental contract to use it. I have always told people if they aren’t in it to have fun AND make fun for their scene partners, they need a new hobby. If you are using LLMs you are not engaged and you certainly aren’t trying to be fun to rp with.
@Warma-Sheen said in AI In Poses:
@somasatori said in AI In Poses:
I have a question. What do you get out of MUSHing, a hobby wherein you write paragraphs at people in a turn-based format, when you’re not actually doing the writing? What’s the end goal there?
I’ve had this conversation with more than a few people and one of the most common themes that came up: an experience as close to tabletop gaming as possible, but without being crapped on because of not being able to put out AP English writing or wait 20 minutes per exchange for all the editing.
MU*ers can be catty, judgemental, petty, elitist, etc… to a higher degree than any I’ve ever known, probably to do with internet anonymity, which is one of the reasons the hobby continues to grow smaller and smaller. I’ve never known a community so highly motivated/invested in killing itself off as intensely as this one, and I’ve known some pretty shitty communities in my life (I’m old… er now.)
People show up to MU*s for very different reasons and it sometimes seems like a large number of people assume that everyone else around them is there for the exact same reason as them then get frustrated/confused when they don’t play the way they would.
I’ve had the conversation on other threads, so I won’t get into it again here if people reply back to tell me all the ways I’m wrong, but taking a tool that improves writing and using it on text based game seems like it would be a godsend to cure many of the ills that people have complained endlessly about for decades - bad writing, lack of storytellers, no interesting plots.
But to each, their own. People will feel how they feel about it and that’s okay, I guess. Its just sad for me cause I loved this hobby and I really thought this might actually put some life back into it, like CPR. So it was disappointing/sad/whatever when all the villagers pointed at the thing that could bring someone back to life thereby improving the outlook/prosperity of the entire community, called it a witch, and want it burned at the stake.
ETA: Not for nothing, but to go along with the analogy, some non-small portion of the thread is basically a witch hunt - with dubious degrees of accuracy.
@Faraday ok but 88 essays is not a sample size that anyone can take seriously.
If your rp isn’t boring and hollow, then it won’t ping as AI even if you use em-dashes for whatever reason. It’s not just the dashes.
@Yam Nip what in the bud in strangers? Just the general…combo of sensitivity/insensitivity that is ‘being difficult’?
I used to get a lot of shit for telling people on arx: 'people you rp with are not your friends. treat them like friendly strangers and don’t presume getting along in rp scenes means you are building real ooc bonds"
I was just in a position where I could see so many problems were the result of ‘i thought X and i were on the same page, now they have done something off-script and I am feeling HURT so their actions were done on purpose to HURT ME’
@Warma-Sheen
can you be for real for once
No one is even bringing receipts to this thread, when there are absolutely receipts that prove you are still lying/were lying when you got banned. The audacity of crying off with some ‘people love to go for blood’ when YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TRIED TO GET PEOPLE TO GO FOR BLOOD.
This isn’t 2001, no one believes your girlfriend wife from Canada ‘had’ your password and logged you on to accidentally pose as you. No one believes someone you never rpd with on a new game told you in secret that no one but you had been nice to them so please take all their org’s resources.
I just wanted to know what the mindset is that makes someone sock puppet on a new game instead of, idk, trying to rp.
Even if SauNOT, this guy has more than once joined a game just to cheat, right out of the gate, with a side of negging the game runner from the fake alt for absolutely no reason. ‘your game sux, no one has reached out or been nice to me except Me’
And then posted a banning conversation to try and sabotage said game. Yikes, buddy
I think in the realms of tough calls, it’s important to keep in mind that anything a player is throwing YOUR way, as a staffer, they are doing that and probably worse to their fellow players.
@Warma-Sheen so is this just how you go about joining games? Getting caught twice on real low-effort stuff is a lot of times to get caught doing this.
Talk to us. Why are you like this? Do you think you won’t be able to fit in on a game unless you have some perceived resource advantage? What’s going ON, buddy
If I didn’t know who this person was, I might have banned them based on that convo, too. If someone asks you “what request are you referring to?” and you hit them with 16 bars about how they are just ignoring you and they deleted a bunch of things because they are in their feelings, that’s - not necessary. Like they could have already been discussing how to actually move the request forward if they didn’t need to swerve into ‘i’m frustrated and i need you to redress my feelings’. If you had just said '18 and 27" or even tacked on a “ok, what do I need to get movement on this if not logs?” (which is a valid question) .
And who wouldn’t look askance at a request for a character to hand over all their org’s resources to another character? That’s sus as fuck
@Yam said in Prove Tez Wrong:
@helvetica Lmfao ahahaha
ETA: TO BE CLEAR to everyone Tez abuses me with love, don’t worry. She’s not a forum despot.
she’s a forum little teapot
@Yam bans are cancel culture and i like to think i have healed and evolved beyond such p e t t i n e s s
PS the calls I remember struggling with the most were
a complaint about an interpersonal player relationship where one party was going against the rules/spirit of the rules of the game, but it all occurred in private off game conversations and there was a lot of ‘evidence’ to look at
it was custodius, and he was honestly not doing anything i would ban another player for, but he wasn’t doing GREAT and we were just using a lot of staff time and energy like, watching him, corralling, investigating, etc.
But also, man, lots of them are hard. A lot of times you are looking at situations where neither side is being very cash money, and you’re trying to sort out which party is in the wrong this time and if there was some provoking incident that slipped by you and just aaaaaah. This is how I got burned out beyond belief. Telling a racist or a creep or a weird liar to buzz off is easy. I find that’s maybe 30% of player management
@Gashlycrumb yeah I’ve never really seen that happen as stated! What’s up?
I think people naturally DO rp with people outside their friend group. Most of my oldest friends are long since tired of rping with me. I think most players really appreciate finding someone ‘new’ and fresh to rp with, and it’s the default state to search for that.
But when it comes to ooc trust, they are gonna rely on those they are friends with. When their characters are threatened, they will turn to their friends for support before a stranger in an IC position that might make (more?) sense. To a lesser degree, they are also going to disseminate plot to their friends. A lot of plot handed out to players is "X is happening, get together a team of pcs to address/experience it’. A lot of people will default to known quantities! It makes sense. I think a player maliciously or intentionally excluding others is much rarer than might be assumed.
IDK how to change it or even if you should try, but forewarned is forearmed or something.
i think you’ve got three dials: game size, nuance/specificity, and staff involvement. Cranking any of these up or down is going to affect the others. You can (and should! if you want!) make a game that is highly specific in a historical or fictional setting, but doing so is going to turn down max players and probably increase staff involvement in direct relation. You can turn down staff involvement and let your players mostly self-police if the guardrails are broad and high enough, until that player size gets to a certain limit.
I think you can pull off most any kind of niche or historical setting if you are willing to accept and spend your time curating a small and like minded player base.
Did! Just not willing to play it the 2 more times to see the story firsthand.
