Numetal/Retromux
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Why is that relevant unless you’re trying to dictate what kind of character I make for me?
It’s relevant because I want to know if you made the toxic mistakes before they took toxic actions against you.
I could care less if you want to play Thumbelina, Hyperprincess of the the Goth-Woods or whatever.
Why are you attacking me as though I were staff at Retro?
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@MisterBoring I don’t know who you are, and I’m not attacking you. Just stating that, unless you think me making a vampire kinfolk is toxic–which is dictating my RP–I’m not sure how it’s relevant when I made the character.
The OOC/IC toxicity happened right away during my first scene when I ‘shifted’ in court to show what I was, because my character wasn’t the type to lie or hide things. I wasn’t toxic OOC in that game once, and although my character was contentious IC, even IC toxic is a bit of a stretch. This was my first and last character on that game.
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@MisterBoring At the end, things did get tense. I DM’d Chaos about my frustration which I linked earlier, but DMing him about how I was feeling after months of harassment is not my definition of toxic. Maybe it’s toxic that I give him shit in these posts about not reading the books–what Vampire TL doesn’t do that? Maybe it’s toxic that I’m posting here, moreso after being lied about by Sephiroth here on these boards. But what about my character was OOC toxic? Genuinely curious, as I was always trying my best to separate IC/OOC and play nice there OOC despite the harassment.
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Certainly one of the shittier things in this hobby is a habit of blaming players for having ‘bad’ PCs while ignoring the fact that somebody approved them.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
It’s vampire, and your opinion about what Vampire should be is not shared by everyone despite how you seem to like to dictate other people’s RP.
Reading Comprehension is fun:
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Oh, and in case it needs to be said, I’m none of the people you’ve bitched about so far. So no, they weren’t the only ones done with you.
For those in the back. I’m not Eddie, I’m not talking about Eddie and I have no interest in talking about your issues with him. This is about you, being in a glass house, trying to throw stones.
You also seem to be blatantly trying to skate over the fact that it isn’t a matter of the other Primogen picking you or not. None of them would work with you. You being in that seat? Would have literally been Vincent sabotaging his own Clan for a round of trying to stick it to the man. Unfortunately, that was in fact your introduction, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The moment you walked in with your super special snowflake/kinfolk/vampire everyone was immediately done. Your continued blatant and open disrespect for the Prince piddled on all the rules and status you then claimed you wanted a say in. No one would work with Vincent, period. He was status rot from that point forward. That fact seems lost on /you/.
And yes, please do quote your escapades with the Assamite that ended up being site banned for shit behavior. Because that makes you look good when that’s your soap box.
Since it seems to be you that’s confused on a Mary Sue as well:
*A Mary Sue is a fictional character who is unrealistically perfect, often possessing exceptional abilities and lacking significant flaws. These characters can overcome any obstacle with ease, making them seem implausible and unrelatable.
Typically, Mary Sues are central to their stories, with plots often bending around their needs and desires. The term is used to critique characters who disrupt the balance of a narrative by being overly idealized and not facing meaningful challenges.*
Pretty clear there I think.
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@Gashlycrumb Not ignoring that fact at all, and I agree. Fortunately, the staffer he worked with on the concept is no longer staff. And while I would have pulled the character, Chaos chose to try and work with him instead. We can see what that got him.
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@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Typically, Mary Sues are central to their stories, with plots often bending around their needs and desires. The term is used to critique characters who disrupt the balance of a narrative by being overly idealized and not facing meaningful challenges.
So a character I purposely nerfed by being on the fence is not having a meaningful challenge… who was literally cursed and most of his sheet was not beneficial to him at all in either sphere… sure
Also, Mary Sues are commonly referred to as the characters created by female authors who are adding an overly idealized self-insertion. Context matters.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
None of them would work with you.
I didn’t want them to. I wanted to work for my Clan and represent them. I specifically didn’t want a buddy buddy relationship with the other Primogen, I wanted to stand up for my Clan because they were largely treated like shit in that sphere. Think it sabotage if you want, but if you’re definition of sabotage is making the other Primogen not like Gangrel, that was never on my radar. The Clan didn’t even have Domain, and the Primogen Samuel thought our Domain was the territory of the Werewolves. It was not. That was the first thing I sorted out after I arrived. So yeah, befriending or working with other Clans didn’t matter to me. Either they liked me or they didn’t, that kind of popularity contest is anathema to me anyway.
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@Cygnus Just because a Clan selects a Primogen with their own methods, it doesn’t mean the Prince is required to accept them, nor does it stop the Prince from appointing their own if they want. Also, by 1995 (which is when Retro is set if the wiki is correct) Xaviar was already looking at the door leading up to when the Gangrel straight up just leave the Camarilla after the whole Eye of Hazimel incident. (End WoD Nerd Nonsense)
So here’s what I see:
- Staff didn’t recognize how disruptive your concept was going to be to the other players OOCly. They should have caught that when you had such a bad time introducing yourself and shifting and they didn’t, and so the initial reaction of the other players isn’t on you.
- You should not have been the target of that level of harassment from Eddie. One bad situation doesn’t justify a second.
- You are correct on your nitpick about Mary Sues being female. Everyone else in the thread, please use the proper terminology of “Gary Stu” going forward.
- Really, looking at your character idea, it’s on both you and the staffer that approved you to go “We can do this by the rules, but should we really be doing this?” And it seems like neither of you did. Hopefully you have changed since then.
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@Gashlycrumb Looking back, maybe it shouldn’t have been approved. And not because of the concept, but because people have been playing this game for thirty years and get mad when anything outside the norm is introduced. It’s probably impossible to get around this, sadly.
@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
I would have pulled the character,
Right, just pull the character someone made, cool way to resolve things. If you are who I think you are, you essentially did this anyway by changing my approved sheet without telling me, and paging me that you didn’t care who approved me, I was -never- going to get level 1 gifts despite my five dot merits I bought and full list of flaws related to it. Apparently, level 1 gifts are gamebreaking.
This is why I pitched the plot to retire my character, by the way. Because getting your sheet changed and triple nerfed for no reason was another example of getting egregiously dicked over for choosing to do something different.
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@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
Really, looking at your character idea, it’s on both you and the staffer that approved you to go “We can do this by the rules, but should we really be doing this?” And it seems like neither of you did. Hopefully you have changed since then.
This is definitely fair. Yeah, I’m not even planning to play MU*s at all in the near future, because it was that bad of an experience.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Right, just pull the character someone made, cool way to resolve things. If you are who I think you are, you essentially did this anyway by changing my approved sheet without telling me, and paging me that you didn’t care who approved me, I was -never- going to get level 1 gifts despite my five dot merits I bought and full list of flaws related to it. Apparently, level 1 gifts are gamebreaking.
Bzzzt, wrong yet again. Can’t really grok that someone with no control over your character thought you handled…well everything poorly I guess.
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@Wyrmsign TBH, I don’t really care who you are. But you are staff since you apparently ‘would have pulled’ my character. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter – hopefully anyone who sees this thread will avoid RetroMUX like the plague and it will wither into non-existence as it should. Any game which platforms this kind of harassment needs to die.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Wyrmsign TBH, I don’t really care who you are. But you are staff since you apparently ‘would have pulled’ my character. Anyway, it doesn’t really matter – hopefully anyone who sees this thread will avoid RetroMUX like the plague and it will wither into non-existence as it should.
Then I’d stop trying to guess, because I am /not staff/. And you are the one that stirred this whole shitshow up how many months after you were no longer on game? Blame yourself.
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@Wyrmsign Then why’d you say you’d pull the character? Maybe you have such a self-aggrandized view of yourself that you think your opinion changes who does and doesn’t get approved?
Also, all I did was talk a little shit. Then Sephiroth posted an unhinged rant of lies. That’s when I brought this up, but as we’ve already figured out, reading comprehension and situational awareness aren’t your strong suit.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Maybe you have such a self-aggrandized view of yourself that you think your opinion changes who does and doesn’t get approved?
I think that @Wyrmsign is just saying that if they were staff on a game where you proposed the character, they’d just strike the entire idea down at the earliest sign of drama.
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@MisterBoring Honestly, I wish someone did. It was such an awful experience all around.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Wyrmsign Then why’d you say you’d pull the character? Maybe you have such a self-aggrandized view of yourself that you think your opinion changes who does and doesn’t get approved?
Because I had to interact with it. And the staff you’re shitting on gave you far more of a chance with it than I would have. That’s the beautiful thing about a forum. It’s made for opinions.
@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
Also, all I did was talk a little shit. Then Sephiroth posted an unhinged rant of lies. That’s when I brought this up, but as we’ve already figured out, reading comprehension and situational awareness aren’t your strong suit.
Riiiiight. Boy you got me there. Wasn’t like I saw all this myself and am not going off the spew you had.
@MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:
I think that @Wyrmsign is just saying that if they were staff on a game where you proposed the character, they’d just strike the entire idea down at the earliest sign of drama.
Yes, this. Thank you. See, reading isn’t hard, give it a go.
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@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
Wasn’t like I saw all this myself
Oh you saw all the DMs and plot pitches I sent in, all the receipts, the whole true story I posted? Damn if you’re NOT staff and are privy to that information, maybe there’s other, deeper issues at RetroMUX.
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@Cygnus Christ on a Cracker. Did I say anything about any of that in my posts? No. Read. Go back, re-read. Maybe give it a third just for comprehension. You’re so desperate to have your villain that you’re flailing and it’s just sad now.
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@Wyrmsign TF are you on about? You just insinuated that you saw all this as it was happening. You did not have the full context, full stop – unless you did, in which case staff was sharing it as it happened in real time to players inside your clique while ignoring the bad behavior of players like Eddie et all. Which yeah, that’s a super deep and problematic thing if it did happen.
