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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @MisterBoring Earlier in the thread talked about the secret giovanni discord separate from the game discord where Chaos went to talk shit about players, so it’s safe to say he’s a part of it. I’ve been away for a long while though, I don’t even know who’s still on staff other than the tags on the post of Eddie getting banned for doing all the shit I said he was.

      Definitely telling though that a staffer from that game came in to say there’s never been reports about Eddie and the game is fine, yet this is what they’re posting on site.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Strike Systems

      @Yam Just to address the other point you made, I can’t remember a temp ban that didn’t turn into a full ban or that person leaving a game. Temp bans do not work. They actually just make things worse, because you lose good players to bad actors in the process of them pretending to be a better person for a while before they inevitably slide back into the shit show.

      People can and do change, but usually the people who do will change at the warning stage and before temp bans get handed out. It’s exceedingly rare otherwise

      posted in Game Gab
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    • RE: RPing with Everybody (or not)

      In the end I feel that it comes down to tolerance. If you can tolerate a player you don’t like in a court scene or work together occasionally on a mutual plot for the betterment of the game and enrichment of plot, you’re probably fine. When it becomes exclusionary or hateful, then it’s bad. There’s a serious gut check here sometimes too, because how does staff police things that are happening in pages or on discord? It’s not something that’s ever been solved on MUSH as far as I know.

      posted in Game Gab
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @Pavel to be fair, so did cliques back in my day. It’s not exactly the same, but every weird MUSH clique that ever existed has manipulation and it is often sexual. Important here to say that welcoming circles of friends are different than cliques or harems, we’re not talking about those here.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

      @Cygnus So it’s your position that a person refusing to RP with people they don’t like is bad for the game? Are you saying that you’d rather force them to RP with people they don’t like?

      How did you get this from what I said? I said it’s a gray area. It can be innocent at first, but when it becomes exclusionary it spirals quickly out of control. Are you saying that the hate for people like VASpider who have done exclusionary things like this is unwarranted because they just didn’t like the people they excluded, and they were justified killing the games they killed?

      Also, MU*s are games that tend to include a large amount of players, some of whom you are likely not to enjoy. Does this mean that your feelings as a player about another player dictate whether they can or can’t enjoy the rest of the game, and whether they get plot/job attention? Because that’s what happens when these cliques take over a game.

      @MisterBoring said in Numetal/Retromux:

      To rephrase my question:

      Does @Cygnus feel it is a staff’s job to ensure that any single person is RPing with everyone?

      It’s staff’s job to break up cliques and not let them take over the entire game, staff, and culture, to not let them spread hate campaigns, and not let players be the jury of who is allowed into scenes and plots. Because that’s what happen when these things get out of control. That’s when staff needs to step in, not when it’s a group of friends playing games together.

      This is a person who would do exactly that; get angry when someone in their group was RPing with someone they didn’t like, and do exclusionary things that are not healthy for a game.

      It’s obviously tough for staff to tell when this is and isn’t the case, but when complaints start to pile up it should get addressed. This doesn’t happen on RetroMUX because certain staffers are part of the clique itself; they dole out plots to people the popular kids club approve of, so they’re feeding into the non-community aspect of a game.

      It’s totally fine to not RP with people you don’t like. It’s not ok to make them feel unwelcome and ostracized until they leave. Players don’t get to decide to do that to another player, and behavior that rationalizes or makes excuses for this kind of thing needs to be excised from MU*s forever.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @InkyTheGhost said in Numetal/Retromux:

      Blossom’s player is not the creepy stalker. She is kind, extremely loyal, unafraid to speak her mind, and one of the best writers I’ve RP’d with in decades of playing on MU*s.

      She is a great writer, great enough that I often threw away red flags when I received them. She has a lot of good qualities; she also sent things to my house that I found uncomfortable, would page me when I was in scenes angrily if I wasn’t in scenes with her instead, tried to dictate who I could and couldn’t RP with, and got very cold whenever I disagreed with her about anything. She was highly OOCly motivated and had trouble telling the difference between IC/OOC more often than I thought was appropriate.

      Two things can be true at the same time. I don’t think Blossom as a person is inherently evil at all, but I choose to cut contact once because her interactions with me were getting obsessive, forgave her for the reasons you stated and with help from Sundance on Liberation, and have since cut contact again for other reasons.

      My feelings about Blossom player are conflicted because we were friends for a long time, but the reason I brought her up was because she was the one who begged me to come to Retro, who is closely connected to Sephiroth (she plays his Giovanni mom on that game for those who don’t know), and who has gotten lots of staff favoritism IMO, plus has a strong friendship with Chaos. So it is relevant, she was deeply involved in several of these situations.

      To be clear, I don’t think she’s the reason why Retro is a bad game. But I do feel that Retro being a bad game is the reason why she is there. Because the game has very loose controls, or they happen too late, it creates a negative feedback loop which attracts a certain kind of player and encourages or excuses their behavior when it does happen. I think the MU youngins are calling what she does ‘harem-building’ these days, we just called it a clique. She gathers players who agree with her IC/OOC around her, building a small community that goes outside of the game, and those who act out of lockstep OOC or IC have a tendency to be ostracized OOC and IC until they conform. I don’t think she does it for nefarious means, but because she can’t be assed to RP with people she doesn’t like–which, fair enough. I also don’t think it creates a healthy community in a MUSH either, since it’s a shared space that suffers from getting cliqued out even further than it already is by definition. It’s a gray area, innocent at first, but it tends to spiral out of control if left unchecked for too long and I see it unfolding again on Retro.

      These cliques tend to have staffers from their ranks who join and change the narrative to suit their own, get mad when something doesn’t go their way at some point, then we see a mass exodus of players/staffers and games die or take a while to recover–best case scenario, the group disbands and bad feelings all around which leads to future drama. Best example of this is the Reach with VASpider, but other examples exist–at least one of which Blossom-player was the faction head of, at a game where I staffed like 10-15 years ago. 👴

      Anyway, thought I’d take a minute and explain my reasoning for what I said in my OP. I don’t hate the player, or you, or really anyone in the situation except maybe Eddie. In general, I’m just happy to be away from the game and those people and I’m sure the feeling is mutual and that’s cool. You were always a blast to RP with though, and the least problematic person ever. So kudos to you for that lol.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      All I have is this gem of a post from the staff of this game who in this very thread claimed there was no issues or complaints with Eddie. Ironically, someone who had the same type of experience that I did sent me this on discord. We both laughed at the north star part.

      ================================ Announcements ===============================
      Message: 1/42 Author: Ori Mon Aug 25 2025
      BAN: Niall/Khafra/Eddie/Ryen/Darius 03:48:28

      As has been said time and again, our north star is to create a space where people feel safe and can enjoy themselves without being a disruption to others. Telling good stories is important, but the former is more important to us than the latter.

      It is in this vein that we must look not only at the behaviors and actions of individuals, but their effect on the community as a whole. We must consider whether someone’s desire to be a part of our community is more important than the ability of others to participate in that community.

      Or, to put it another way, when everyone at the party is avoiding you, it’s time for you to go home.

      The player of Niall/Khafra/Eddie/Ryen/Darius has alienated the majority of the community with his unwanted behaviors, some big and some small. This alienation has, unfortunately, culminated in a detectable shift in player participation (backed up by direct complaints) in scenes and plots this player is involved in. This shift shows no sign of improvement, and has gotten worse over time.

      While we believe there is a game for everyone, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s this game. As such, our only valid course to improve this situation is to remove this player from the community indefinitely.

      We appreciate your patience, and apologize to any disruption to plot he may have been involved in or PRPing. Thank you for your continued efforts to help us build something truly special here.

      -Chaos, Daedalus, Ori
      = ==========================================================================

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      Also, as a quick aside, Eddie was finally, actually, fully banned from Retro. So that’s one sex pest down. I guess he did something so egregious that even his staff buddies couldn’t help him this time. Which one of you lovelies knows what it was that finally got him burnt?

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @Gashlycrumb A little late, but thank you for this, I really appreciate it! There was a lot of dogpiling here, it made me sign out for a while. It was good to see something positive upon returning

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @LeeRoyBatty Still though, I hope it shined a little light on the bullshit that happens on that game and people learn to stay away. My life has been a whole lot better out of MUSH in general, even reliving this excruciating experience has been awful.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @LeeRoyBatty Good point, it really wasn’t worth it, I let his bullshit lies get to me. Should have just kept my peace and not come back to this thread

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @MisterBoring To be fair, I made the long response to a bunch of lies from Sephiroth about how things were handled OOC. I talked a little shit, but it was minimal a month or so ago. The lies about me from staff really pissed me off so I came back with receipts. Realistically, I should’ve just not logged in again and left the convo but hey. At least its some entertainment for ya’ll.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @MisterBoring how is my making a gangrel kinfolk character even slightly equivalent on the toxicity scale with all the shit I’ve proved about this game? I came with receipts too, and people are just saying shit about me that didn’t happen without a receipt to be found. I posted the truth about the situation, including stuff about my character. Because I could really care less about what people think of my character. Some people like it, some people didn’t. Who cares?

      What annoys me is that the majority of people here are ignoring the actual problematic shit to get mad about how people decide to have their fantasy fun time. It has true WORA genetics, but it’s the definition of strawman and not at all equivalent in terms of shittiness. Sorry, but I don’t see how the fact I had a couple rites and took a wolf form in court is equivalent to OOC, cross-character harassment that multiple people in this thread have pointed out about this game. NOT just me.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @catzilla I know it was cringe, but I posted that in response to a STAFFER here saying I wanted to build a special potion to become a human/shifter again. That is not what happened, I posted that to show that he was lying, not that I was a guy with all the best ideas LMAO

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

      THIS IS WHO I REALLY AM INSIDE, BELLA

      ok. This made me laugh. LOL

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @LeeRoyBatty Your takes are braindead, so enjoy yourself I guess. Simple pleasures for simple people 🤣

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      You heard it here, folks. Receipts of bad staff behavior don’t matter, it’s also totally cool that staff hits on players in their DMs, outed trans people, and repeatedly lied in this thread. A gangrel took wolf form in Elysium and took a shifter merit, so let’s get him!

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:

      doesn’t belong in a Vampire game

      Says you. I call bullshit on that. The merit ‘Supernatural Kinfolk’ means that the developers thought different.

      Also, damn, you are triggered as fuck. Maybe go on a walk or something and think about how any of that word vomit you just posted justifies continuous OOC harassment for months on end, and the platforming/defense of problematic sex pests, staff favoritism, and all the other bad shit that has been revealed with receipts about this game.

      ‘Oh no, your character is a jerk, better make that the entire problem and ignore all the heinous shit staff did on this game!’ - you, basically

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus
    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @MisterBoring When did I say I never saw it or dealt with it? Not sure how you got that out of the quote you pulled. I’m saying it was, by far, the worst on RetroMUX. Even old games like the Reach and Haunted Memories weren’t even close, and they weren’t great in those departments.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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    • RE: Numetal/Retromux

      @Juniper said in Numetal/Retromux:

      Is it normal to view unpleasant, controversial or “dumb” in-character behaviour this negatively? If a character causes trouble, is that considered subversive to the community or even rude? Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?

      I’m seeing why this character might have been a problem to other characters, but I guess I don’t see why that means the OOC actor was a problem. Seems like a lot of bleed.

      It was an immense amount of bleed. I’ve never seen it so bad at any other game, and I’ve played or staffed at most if not all of the big WoD MU*s over the years. It was bad enough that this game made at least 5 of the people I RPed with on that game quit MUSHing for good. RetroMUX is filled with people who think they can decide how you should RP, with whom you should RP, and staffers who don’t do anything when this sort of browbeating continuously happens.

      Not to mention, if you spoke up about the bad behavior of staff, god forbid, you’d get instantly site-banned. Like what happened to the person who was outed as trans by Chaos. For those who say it didn’t happen, I’m sure he even mentioned it to me in pages, not just in the super secret shit talking discord they had. ‘Oh, by the way, this character who is female is played by a guy and I don’t like them, so don’t listen to their complaints’ is what I remember.

      It’s not normal, it was an inordinate amount of abuse and toxicity, and in my view, people like Wyrmsign here are blowing how bad I was -way- out of proportion. I still fail to see how me sitting in court as a wolf for the majority of Courts, standing by the door looking angry, and walking out when it was done, is somehow so extremely disruptive. That was the majority of what I added to Court scenes, first and last court not included.

      posted in Rough and Rowdy
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      Cygnus